Then Sig released the P365X! Every single one of these pistols is reliable, accurate, and easy to conceal. Snappy little sucker. Sigs first competitor came from a company called Springfield Armory by way of Croatia. Its a good shooting gun, too. How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? Both guns are great for concealed carry, but which is the better option? On the base model, which is what Dan and I tested, the Shield Plus standard 3-dot sights are nothing to write home about. He is interested in helping folks protect themselves with firearms and shoot better at the range. If youre in the market for a small, lightweight semi-automatic pistol, the SIG Sauer P938 may be the gun for you. I have a KelTec P10 ( SCCY Twin) and the Taurus G2 Subcompact is in a ( superior) league of its own compare to that guns and the others you referenced. Were living in a golden age of concealed carry pistols, that much is for sure. A Azmarlin39a Elite It ended up being the extra size namely the well over a half-inch more backstrap height and how the heel of the grip juts out much farther and to a sharper point that kept the SIG in my holster. The Sig P938 is a subcompact 9mm pistol that is just 6.6 inches long and 3.9 inches tall. IMO the best gun is the Shield but opinions may vary. Weve seen it happen before Pontiac, Mercury, Plymouth, ad infinitum and if there are those disposed to collecting specimens introduced 5-7 years ago, it will be an interesting challenge. If youre such a big fan of this model and cannot handle it being compared to its competition, then go read its stand-alone review. So you like how the P365 looks from behind? Capacity was a big reason, but I also prefer the ergos and controls and sights of the P365 and greatly prefer how it looks from behind (never liked the awkwardly tall slide height of the Nano). While I dont pocket carry, I have several sub-compact pistols carry pistols and my P365 is not my favorite. The problem is that I have no problem carrying something that is say G19 size. The cost of care and feeding of firearms is pretty well irrelevant. I am wondering if the trigger is the same now on the Max 9? That said, the P365 seems to have more holsters available for it for a variety of different carry styles. I have a hellcat micro love it easy to pocket carry even in the summer I also carry the 642 smith both are great conceal and very reliable guns. At their price point, why not? Definitely the best bag for the buck, and has great features that the others do not have such as double strike capability. Yes, its better than the aftermarket trigger in the Hellcat. 90% of the time both are carried appendix. So I agree, the P11 isnt even close to the 4 you picked to review. The introductory photo points counter-clockwise and is level. Ive owned my SIG P365 since mid 2018, so Im coming up on 3 years. i bought a cover for my brand new handmade gun which finishing is very cool and classy. If capacity is the issue Sig offers a 15 round magazine that is interchangeable between the p365 and p365 xl. If you see that terrible WWII national socialist symbol in innocent things like this picture then youre the one with the problem and youre the one glamorizing those horrible national socialist fascists and continuing to give them power, not me or this community. The 9mm and .45 ACP models both come with night sights, while the .380 ACP and .22 LR models do not. Overall this is a very good trigger, and doubly so for anyone who prefers a rolling style break. WEIGHT: 16.0 oz. The Hellcat is a striker-fired pistol with a 3-inch barrel. Just out of curiosity, I took my 938 and my Springfield Hellcat out to the range for a comparison shoot at 25 yards. Ps I see a lot of cheap Luminox watches for sale, and the one thing most sellers do not include is a pic of the lume in the dark. I have a few thousand rounds through mine, Wayner has 15k through his gun (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/sig-sauer-p365-15000-rounds-later/), Boch has been shooting his since 2018 (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-sig-sauer-p365-micro-compact-9mm-pistol/)all of these were super early in production and have never had a hitch. The differences are minimal, and when compared to guns like the Glock 26, they are both superbly small. On paper, hardly a difference. Crummy white dot(I was chastised on the S&W FB group)for saying that. Theres no question whatsoever that Rugers new MAX-9 represents the best value of the pack. The Ruger MAX-9 is a good gun that, for whatever reason, doesnt feel quite as nice or as refined as the others and is a little taller than the P365 and Hellcat, but shoots accurately and reliably and represents one hell of a good value. Gunms should be evaluated on how well they can be thrown, with no ammunition thats there only asset. They're really handy. The Hellcat is more expensive than the SIG P365. I would have liked to have rented and shot both before I made my decision but the Sig was not widely available. I also have a P320 compact and do not discern that much of a difference, especially with a more than double price tag compared to the G2. Possibly a Hellcat to achieve higher capacity, but I have yet to see one. As many of yall know, Im Jewish. Ive had a 13 round G2 for years with a laser. Hellcat mags are listed at 28.95 x 10 magazines = $290 For those already having a P238, moving to a P938 for jumping up to 9mm while having a familiar feel and operation makes sense. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 21 - 37 of 37 Posts . Obviously, on a pistol this size, there is no threaded barrel, nor is there an accessory rail. JavaScript is disabled. Im glad we have better options. Man, I wish ammunition would get as cheap as firearms. Dont believe the Keltec trash talkers, Ive owned four different Keltaec models and theyre all accurate and reliable. What is there not to like about the 365 compared to the 938? My XDS Mod 2 seems to be the most comfortable for me to carry. Note that we both have relatively large hands, for whatever thats worththe whole grip thing can be very subjective. If so, rate it below! Its much closer to the symbol that was revered around the world for thousands of years right up until it was co-opted by the worst people to ever live. Hand-Picked Daily GUN DEALS, and Exclusive Coupons Codes >>>. I don't see any reason not to buy both! I had one of those, but it always squirmed around in my hand when I fired it. Well I sorta recommended the Sig to my friends wife. Some at the end like the 365 would actually Hurt my hand and I could really feel it. It has more customization options more holsters, and I have far more training on it than the Hellcat. Hellcat OSP: Standard model with a 3-inch barrel and 11-round magazine, but is optics ready. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Just so happens that theyre very good guns and I think the problems at release were overblown in terms of how pervasive they were. Most versatile when it comes to upgrades or swapping between models. Wow I hope my neighbor doesnt get a backache. To get night sights on the Shield, which makes it comparable in features to the Sig, its $44 more than the SIG. It really depends on what you are looking for in a sub-ohm tank. If these were normal times the price difference alone makes them far better guns for the price. SIG offers the safety as an accessory kit, they are moving briskly and getting installed by owners who only need to make a small modification. Which one should you choose? Soyes, I now feel a draw to replace that image but I also feel like doing so would be giving validity to a false narrative and surrendering to dirty politics. Funny thing. This is where mistakes are made with the 1911 a subcompact .45ACP with short slide and higher cycling speeds using a standard 1911 mag means issues. Still, its a half inch shorter and about 0.2 inches skinnier than most of the smaller sub-compacts out there, so I think its fair to say it still clearly belongs right here in the micro-compact category. I do recommend upgrading the trigger. The P938 has a 6+1 capacity, but there are also 7+1 and 8+1 capacity magazine options available. Next is the Ruger MAX-9, which is only very slightly less flippy than the P365, then theres a jump to the Springfield Hellcat, which is noticeably softer, and then another solid leap to the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus, which shoots like a well-tuned compact, not a sub-compact or micro-compact. I prefer the Hornady over SIGs proprietary ammo, as SIGs was hit and miss availability prior to the shortage. While S&W officially states the Shield Plus width, exclusive of the controls, as 0.94 inches I must disagree. P365 vs Hellcat personal experience. Its a great gun and it was extremely reliable and accurate and easy to carry. I refuse to run away from pinwheels, directional alloy wheels, window panes, and fair & balanced photography for a head to head to head to head comparison. Max-9 mags are listed at 63.95 per 2 x 10 mags = $320 The problem with that myth is this pedigree: https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/taurus-g2c-vs-smith-wesson-m-p-9-shield-plus-4. (I know, tHe p365 Is A BeTtEr ChOiCe blah blah) and the capacity of the hellcat is fantastic. The large magazine release is easy to use, but not so tall that it risks accidental activation. It would be bulkier than a Hellcat, but revolvers do have a lot of charms. Love the four the hard way review. For more carry guns, check out our comprehensive list of the Best Concealed Carry Guns. He loves it. The SIG is 1 inch thick, and the Hellcat's grip is 1 inch wide at the grip. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. This means that the Springfield 911 can be fired without cocking the hammer, while the Sig P938 must be cocked before each shot. Quick Cash Offer Get Offer I did like the Ruger also. One of the DBs reporters got trolled and instead of just taking the L and walking away they had to build a huge narrative and campaigned to get the ADL to declare it a hate symbol. It is a great choice for anyone looking for a subcompact 9mm pistol for concealed carry. I guess I was thinking about this in terms of it being like a heads-up match. They will however get you on a bad guy pretty quick. Heck, it felt like 2021 saw the introduction of half a dozen of them from Taurus, Kimber, and even two from Ruger. The SIG P365 is a little taller at 4.3 inches compared to Hellcat's 4-inch height. With drills like Dot Torture and the iHack, I tend to drop rounds with the Hellcat, but less so with the Sig. The p365 was a very close second to it in just about every regard. Sides, front, and back are fairly darn straight and flat across and the edges between all four sides are rounded, yes, but make a sharper transition than on most pistols. Its been known to break and seize the gun up. Lets start with the rails. Sig Sauer P938, Sig Sauer 1911 Emperor Fastback Scorpion Carry, Sig Sauer P227 Sig Sauer P226 TACOPS, Sig Sauer P229 Scorpion ELITE, Sig Sauer M11-A1, Sig Sauer P365, P365XL . Hellcat: $569 (Pistol) + $290 (mags) = $859 Never forget that Gatson Glock is a old plastic expert that made fine curtain rods. It weighs only 18.3 ounces with an empty magazine. You know, the capacity thing. It weighs just 11.5 ounces, while the Sig P938 weighs 16 ounces. That said, I wouldnt have gone with it as my first choice. I have several great pistols now out of production because better designs are out there. Still a micro-compact, the Shield Plus represents a meaningful bump in backstrap length versus the P365 despite its identical 10+1 flush-fit capacity. Let us know in the comments below. A bright, eye-catching, tritium-illuminated front sight and an all-black, serrated rear. gear. P365: Standard micro-compact model with a 3-inch barrel, 10-round flush fit magazine. This oversized recoil guide rod prevents the slide from coming out of battery when shoved into a bad guy in some extreme close quarters work. Havent held the Ruger but it seems like a best buy for the dough. Its your typical, white painted dot front and 2-dot rear. You didnt test the best configuration in that class, which is a Sig P365Lwhich is the normal P365 with a simple grip module swap from the 12 XL round size. The P938 and Micro 9 are basically the same gun, just different manufacturers. The size and weight specs more or less tell the story of how these four pistols compare on paper, though there is some nuance that cant be seen or felt in these figures. Its the sharpest and most aggressive of these four pistols, though. The Hellcat is extremely accurate and has a very nice trigger. Thanks! People see things in clouds and on their toast and whatever else, too, and this is very obviously not intended to look like that horrible symbol. For instance, my early P365 here has a slightly better trigger than my P365XL, which was made two years later. Its about like using a 19 mag in a 26. Its probably no surprise that when we tried all four of these new little guys at the LGS a few weeks ago handling, but not shooting we both preferred the Hellcat for how it felt in the hand and its general ergonomics. The P365 SAS is all about being low profile with the flush-mount FT Bullseye sight, while the Hellcat OSP sacrifices a bit of concealment ease with dual sighting optionsthe iron sights and miniature reflex sight. Following all safety best practices related to holster choice, holstering, and use it obviously wont present any sort of issue, but its undoubtedly a deviation from the norm for a self-defense gun without a manual safety (though a thumb safety is an option). I think the joints in his fingers and the shape of his palm and thumb joint and such align better with the edges of the grip. Haven't had the opportunity to check out a Hellcat. Even with dry hands I worry about sliding off of the serrations while trying to manipulate the slide. My usual EDC is the Hellcat. The differences are minimal, and when compared to guns like the Glock 26, they are both superbly small. Additionally, this bad boy has the best trigger of the bunch. Jump to Latest Follow SigTalk is a forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer enthusiasts. The Hellcat has a capacity of 11+1 rounds of 9mm Luger. Also I forgot to mention the Glock 26. I usually buy one box of my preferred carry ammo, Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P, a month to cycle, on top of handloaded target rounds, but since Sept. 2020, Im just running target ammo. The Hellcat thumb safety is very well-designed. So, while the Hellcat is technically shorter, the P365 with its more rounded (slightly bobbed), shorter heel will likely conceal like the shorter gun. Did I mention the 365 is a real slab side slide, vs the channeled and relieved 938? this is the article I have been waiting on. The Hellcat premiered in September 2019 and gave the Sig P365 hell. Thats not how this works. Im definitely not a fan of the rounded-notch rear with white outline, though obviously this is personal preference. Front-to-rear length of the grip frame is also significantly longer than any of the other guns here. Action: The Springfield 911 has a striker-fired action, while the Sig P938 has a single-action only trigger. Your email address will not be published. If you're wondering which of these small pistols to buy, read this review. Okay, onto our thoughts of how each micro-compact concealed carry handgun stacks up compared to the others: SIGs little P365 shook up the concealed carry market when it was released in early 2018. So keep reading as we stack these two models up against each other, look at their specs and features, and ultimately help you decide which one is right for you. You do a head-to-head comparison not a heads-up comparison., Oh haha, good point. For me, Im sticking with the original I like the P365 the best. In no world is the Shield shorter than any of the other guns here. None of them shoot as mild and the Nano is built like a the proverbial tank. I havent shot the Ruger. was my first sentence. Compare them all you want; I have no need for a micro-compact. Yeah, neither gun hav as many rounds as the Hellcat, but I'm ok w/ a 7 or 8 round mag. That said, the manual safety on the Ruger MAX-9 is just right. It provides more grip and control than appearances might suggest, yet it wont scratch up or overly irritate the tender princess skin on your hip. Ive never thought of the M&Ps serrations as sub-par or anything, and theyre without a doubt plenty functional and nothing I would normally complain about, but in this heads-up comparison they simply dont compete on the same level as the P365s and MAX-9s. Wheres the Glock 43x (capable of 15 rounds in a similar size) or the Taurus G3C which is optics ready and feature rich? Maybe the shield plus would make a nice substitute for my walther pps, but I love the paddle mag release on a carry gun as it makes accidental magazine ejection nearly impossible. mag (have 3 of them) thus a longer grip. It also weighs slightly more than the P938, at 1.1 pounds. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. I love my Hellcat. You geta solid 12 round grip without mag movement, slightly bigger beavertail, and improved mag insertion area which is both straight, and flared/funneled. I did shoot a P365 and shot it very well also but I like the trigger better on the Shield Plus. The wife and I both have Springfields as our primary carry pieces. They will only go dead again. You can get the Hellcat with a thumb safety if you would like. This allows you to swap your FCU between grip modules and slide lengths. Saving a bunch up front make more mags an overall cheaper expense, and behold! I also shoot it a little faster and more accurately. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. I will stick with the soft shooting Nano. Sigs P365 features a broader magazine release, but the Hellcat is taller. The Taurus is only a little bit bigger than those four, feels great in the hand, and will be much easier to conceal and carry than our blocky Springfield XD and XDm, which was our one major requirement for this purchase. LOL. Deal with it. I find myself carrying the P365 the most. If I was asked the same question say 5-6 years ago I would have been as jaded as you but Taurus did outsell Glock nearly two to one a mere 2 years ago. Like the familiar Sig Sauer 1911, the. what we like doesn't matter. Its remarkable, really, to pack so much into such small pistols. Its also a reliable and accurate gun, making it a good choice for self-defense or target shooting. Well, I carry the Sig Sauer P365. I have had many over the years. The floating kind for the inevitable boating accident in your future. The ratchet just keeps tightening, and Im not sure how long this can go on before theres catastrophic breakage (hopefully it only breaks their gears and not the whole structure theyre cranking on). Springfield 911 9mm vs Sig P938 MarksmanTV 120K subscribers Subscribe 789 Save 43K views 3 years ago Notice Age-restricted video (based on Community Guidelines) Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us. Obviously, the Hellcat has caught my eye. The Sig P365 is a great option for those looking for a Hellcat alternative. Competition is good, though, and the P365 currently has a butt load in that arena. I also have the Sig P320 compact threaded and it is my every day gun. Overall, the Hellcat is a good choice for a concealed carry gun. Does that make up for 2 whole ounces? The Max-9 and Shield Plus both felt too thin, like they werent filling enough of our palms, and the longer front strap on the Hellcat was very welcome. The pull is considerably heavier than the P365 but far from bad. For an MSRP premium of just $30, youd be silly not to buy the optics-ready Hellcat. It is just over 6 inches long and 4 inches tall. Ive owned my P365 since a few months after launch, and in that time, Ive had very few issues. Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Review | TheGunZone
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