False is false. There is no question I want a conventionally bred product by a smaller company if there is a real choice, because it keeps conventional breeding strong and competitive and goes against the trends of consolidation which large companies represent. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. It doesn't matter to activists that it has been debunked, and the falsehood is repeated, for whatever reason, by people who wish to gain public attention. If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. Silly scare-mongering. Is that your point of view? I don't know that I agree with your position. The D.M. HWnW^aw0Dc`ECS>,Q9U3CJ yTw-yW^~vw_[)sX7yX&^\}-]N {yZ*~>|\f&G[C$zr=^^~g/V_o{q{u@0/3~+!g/q}}yy}u}wW1tPZ:1xHx'5D2C(qq|?D__BO=__{s2HH^CBm+~j-gaoKs'Y(Oq 1DV&9l"&NMetY&U jHek9~)o,*SDHecls|Vb d{9|E K+ H?WZbAP r ^`ry\m8evl&>g'QE9=0xTYJ!jp# Because, after the Seminis buyout, Territorial and others were purchasing some seeds from a Monsanto subsidiary, some really nasty rumors got started that Territorial, Johnny's and others are owned by Monsanto. Anyone that is interested in what they are up to, can easily find that information. It is not a reliable reference as it was debunked by the peer-reviewed study in the Nature link. Since a winter sowing forum is a place where people use seeds, I think the topic is entirely on point. PDF Monsanto's Seed Company Subsidiaries - Food & Water Watch Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. Compare $ 1 99 (1) Model# 0069. Organic vegetable seeds? So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business. It will only cause Monsanto to close down unprofitable seed companies which will cause a loss of natural genetic diversity. 0000536209 00000 n Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. 5 Non-GMO Seed Companies to Plant in Your Monsanto-Free Garden I use $0.50 worth of seeds each year from it. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. No, Pupilla, I did not tell you millions of people were dying, a link I posted reported that, which I asked if it were true, did I not? Two posters before you objected to how riddled with false information the linked article that forms the basis of this thread is. What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? 0000535219 00000 n Nobody has the right to force anyone to eat anything. I completely agree with you, that we do dive headfirst into what is considered 'progress' and in the process we let go of what is very valuable and sometimes priceless then only in hindsight, do we acknowledge or understand what we've done. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. "Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. %PDF-1.4 % If you have some complaint about something in my post, then clearly state what that is. Add to Cart. Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. I only insist on using good references and doing a little fact checking. So, when your government does not protect you from companies like Monsanto, you are left to do the best you can to protect yourself and to do your measly part to try to protect the availability of unadulterated seed. So you claim there is no reason to avoid any seed company. There are so many, many tomato seeds in the world there has to be enough for everyone, that we can do without a couple, if it means gaining something more valuable. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? Ferry-Morse Launches 'Ask Our Gardening Community' Live Q&A 0000535956 00000 n I personally have no opinion about Monsanto, except to roll my eyes when people scream about how they are going to control the food supply and kill us all. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. I see you can 'quote' my post, but what is it about what I said that you object to? Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. for pricing and availability. We are off-topic of avoiding GMO seeds (since all home garden seeds are GMO-free, even those from big bad Monsanto). It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. 522 0 obj <> endobj xref 522 55 0000000016 00000 n I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. I remember in a Facebook gardening group about a year, maybe a year and a half ago, a conversation came up about GMO's, Monsanto, and Scotts/Miracle-Gro. I do own my words and own my entire prior post, and your reply re-enforces that we are very far from each others' interpretation of events around us. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. To blame it all on GE crops is not an accurate portrayal of reality. They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. As with many things, our government is influenced by lobbyists. The only reason I did in this instance was because so much was said about the original link being suspect. For example they were where the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published (link). There is only room for one other comment before this post becomes to long for me. It is not a solution to me. From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. I've ripped out invasives in my own property. Ferry-Morse Gardening | Free Shipping Non-GMO Heirloom Organic Seeds Really, using B/Hollywood or wherever it was made a "reliable" source of information scares me about your concept of reliability. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. Since their main activity and goals are to create GMO seed and not to produce conventionally hybridized seed, then it is not unreasonable to consider that they have plans to use the seeds of those companies to genetically modify them. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. You continue to reduce the reasoning behind avoiding Monsanto owned seed companies and any other GMO seed companies to your own limited scope, that because all seed sold to home gardeners are now non GMO you don't have to avoid them. I do not conform to a world of "believers" and "infidels" used by both sides which are quick to exclude any middle ground. The facts that it benefits them do not prove a point and are not intended to prove anything about Monsanto's commercial practices or the safety of GMOs. Yet you dont consider this statement a label? Ferry-Morse. 0000033228 00000 n In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. Thanks for the rest of the links. I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. Apparently, based on debate theory. Get fresh organic and heirloom vegetable, herb and flower seeds. Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. You will find it is considered baloney by reliable fact-checkers that published a peer reviewed study which concluded the the rate of suicide has no correlation with the cited GMOs in India. [1] Jiffy has moved production outside of Canada with over 70 people working at their location in Brandon. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. I'm responsible for what I understand and what I choose. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. 0000489481 00000 n Soon many more garden seed companies bought from not only Burpee but also from Petoseed, companies as diverse as Ferry-Morse, Park's, Gurney's, Johnny's, Northrup King and Comstock-Ferre. 0000535474 00000 n You surmise that. Of course, papayas are not as important a crop as rice, the fact of the matter is, GE crops are not always 100% bad. What we . Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed. What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. [And now you]. How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto. 0000010754 00000 n All Ferry-Morse seeds are 100% Non-GMO. As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. :-). You accused me of labeling you. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." 0000018840 00000 n Thanks for pointing me in a direction to find a better list of Seed Companies that are owned by Monsanto. Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, West Milford Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Ilchester Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Suffern Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers. We are proud to carry Organic and Heirloom Vegetable seeds as well. It is a free country and they can do that. I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. I did the best I could in responding line by line and I hope even if we cannot agree on viewpoints, we can amicably tolerate each other's. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. Add to Cart. Burpee was never owned by Monsanto, but sold its west coast operations which changed hands and were eventually bought by Monsanto. Everyone on the thread was made aware that it was inaccurate, everyone agreed that it was and that we are on our own as far as learning which seed companies are owned by Monsanto and which are not. It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. It's a coop. I see some noble motive given to something, like trying to cure disease attached to the pursuit of biotech methods, but many other motives become more the focus as that pursuit develops. No more Miracle Grow for anyone then, not even sneaking a quick shot of it! Which if you had shared that, we might have found some common ground. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. So, is that true or isnt it? The 8 Best Online Garden Stores of 2023 - Bob Vila Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. Territorial is owned by Tom and Julie Johns, who have owned the company since they . Is Ferry Morse Seeds owned by Monsanto? I take umbrage to that comment. 'Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic - intended to manipulate people by bullying the and using fear as a weapon'. You answer in a round about way. Keeney & Son joined together. 0000022414 00000 n I keep my variety! Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? [3] Its profits continued to be stable until 1865, when Ferry bought out Gardner's share and took over the company. Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 PS. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. 0000509934 00000 n It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. No problem. The movie, etc., claimes a quarter of a million people have killed themselves because of GMOs. Hi Molanic - Yes, I'm glad they are not truncating long posts any more. I addressed this in this post already. Through generations of care and quality, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. That's okay Ed. No, I've read everything including all links. I read the Wiki synopsis of the film and it reports that Indias farmers dispute claims that Monsantos crops require less pesticide or produce higher yields. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. Ferry-Morse invented the practice of selling seeds to home gardeners in individual illustrated packets, available to home gardeners by way of racks he created to showcase the seed varieties. One thing is for sure. 0000002729 00000 n To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. I dont object to the casual substitution of debate for discussion, but you have made enough comments throughout this thread to indicate that you meant an official debate, as in using debate theory and rules and in doing so, you elevated what should have been a friendly discussion to something more adversarial. 0000011436 00000 n The big picture, this is just more of the False Dichotomy fallacy I discuss in my post which activists on both extremes seek to bully anyone chosing not to align themselves with the extremes. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? Pupilla - That's fine. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. Why would you support that company giving it your money? Best Vegetable Seed Companies - Mother Earth News However, flooding in rice growing regions has caused some major problems for rice growers, and those who rely on it as a food source. Please be respectful of my time. Is Garden of Life owned by Monsanto? I will not throw my favorite large red hybrid tomato, developed before 1970, under the bus just because Monsanto bought it. We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. I said --. But I am not making a blanket statement. Compare Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. Great prices. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. As a result, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust and respect of retailers and home gardeners across the country. This just isn't true. As it is, many people are already avoiding corn and soy products in the supermarket because it is difficult to find any that are not genetically modified. It then gets called a documentary. You pepper your posts saying *if this and that are true*, and then you expect me to clean up that mess by answering them all? Some seed companies try to keep their (conventional) breeding programs going and this is hard because of all the high tech involved in today's breeding. But Monsanto and Bayer had a history back to the 1950s, in a joint venture called Mobay . There have been remarkable and beneficial gains made through their scientific research. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. There's plenty of it. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. They also had 50 seed in their sunflower packets. They could care less about it. I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. And please note, I have used the words you seem to have, and please note how many times I use that phrase when responding to someone whose words on a page I am trying to understand. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. I never would have guessed. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. If they include links to the proof, then I'll believe it. They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation.
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